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Welcome to EDL #8!2009-09-30 08:35 | wision
Welcome to the 8th season of European Duel League! Summer is definitely over and that is a sign of new EDL season coming up. This year's layout will be same as previous season, meaning that we will have elimination stage, which will determine 24 players who will go to the group stage, where they will meet 8 players who were invited directly to the group stage. Signups will be opened until 11th of October. Don't hesitate and sign up!

EDIT:
Maplist for current season of EDL is: q2dm1, q2rdm2, q2rdm7, ztn2dm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2, match1
Compared to last season, we droped q2dm3 and added ztn2dm2, q2rdm7 and match1. We would like to point out the q2rdm7 bug where players can get stuck together on the teleport platform. This bug can be avoided while playing on OpenTDM mod with "vote telemode nofreeze", so we suggest to use this vote while you play this map.

EDIT2:
Considering some arguments about the maps and how we chose the maps, we decided to make a poll and let players decide which three maps out of 9 they want to play. The basic maplist is "q2dm1, q2rdm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2" and you can choose the remaining three maps in the poll.

EDIT3:
There was a typo in the poll, so we had to fix it and the poll reset itself. All 7 people who lost their vote, please vote again!
Comments

da-be-da
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2009-10-10 15:46 
on day left and still i cant see Damiah and provi in the sign up list

where the hell is provi?missing all q2 leagues for a damn qw?Bring his ass back here
LitRium
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2009-10-09 16:22 
You are right emo
Cheimera
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2009-10-09 12:35 
you guys are insane emo
Hibru
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2009-10-09 03:46 
just a game. I mean no matter what mappool is it. That doesent change anything between 5best players. That would help some nubs to group stage.thats all.



emo
LitRium
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2009-10-09 01:44 
He meannt that if will not be dm3, the fascist will come and will break the person to admins emo
Cheimera
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2009-10-09 00:22 
i dident get that post either emo
eu^
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2009-10-08 19:01 
lol . it's a riddle emo
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-08 17:25 
He meant what koldduel1 is easy for q3/q4 players with good aim emo
PURRI
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2009-10-08 16:30 
I tried to understand what you mean with your post Hibru. But I don't emo
Hibru
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2009-10-08 14:54 
This is me indicating some good camping places in KOLDDUEL to PURRI. Suddenly CHEIMERA comes from scratch and told me where the redarmor is. This time she started to advice wrong man. -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXtsxDTM2LM emo
LitRium
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2009-10-08 01:34 
2Cheimera > human nature... (thuggee aint included)
Nobody is perfect emo

u swede, i russian, thuggee (not in insult) is estonian child emo
Cheimera
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2009-10-08 00:59 
no, would be ffa emo
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-07 15:43 
hmm
so if you will kick rdm2, ptrip, dm3 and dm1 - you will know who will win? emo)
Cheimera
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2009-10-07 15:26 
Doesent mather what the map list looks like. Always someone whining and crying anyway emo. We can have EDL with only 2box4 the result would be the same, someone whines and someone freaking loves it emo.

human nature... (thugge aint included)
careem
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2009-10-07 09:32 
Great job by thinking to remove most popular map.
LitRium
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2009-10-07 08:44 
2syanid >We picked 3 new maps and removed one

Just form another league for the newer maps, i.e. our Ru.Zadrot. A powerful league shouldn't be experimenting with map-pool so much, imho emo

well if you kicked dm1 instead of dm3, you'd have russian flag waving on your site along with the sound of a patriot making his poop over europe, and not that turkish one with their national music emo
*rl*
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2009-10-06 14:35 
As far as I remember, fury was the most popular duel map from the beggining (98? 99?) till ~2002 at lans in Poland (atleast in my town, where we had 2-3 lans a week at that time). But now, I think it's not a good idea to put it into maplist tho. In 1999 people didn't know how to play, and now provi + rg + cg + 2x 100 armor.... vs rocket + mega might be A BIT unfair...

Edited: 2009-10-06 14:36
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-06 13:53 
please replace this *** poll with Russia - Germany emo
Variants: 3:0, 2:0, 1:0, all for Russia, certainly emo
Cheimera
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2009-10-06 13:02 
just add koldduel? people aint voting for it! i thought this league was the players not the inviduals who talk and comment the most?

And ok yeh i get the whine about its a public vote i really, do but tell us how could we do it otherwise? Go around and ask every singel signed up player on irc? Can you even imagine how long that would take?

And Muerte i hope you are not serious with your post. And once again these admin "conspiracy" "corruption" bullshit pls take it with us on irc instead. Save us from that shit on this site pls.

Edited: 2009-10-06 13:07
Muerte
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2009-10-06 12:19 
its kinda boring watching how crew finns&friend become bigger then game itself

under false pretense how they care of scene they just make things worst

if u care about scene why u ignore 2 biggest q2 scene in eu
fury is official map in Poland duel league
q2dm3 if official map in Russian league (30 players)

just add all maps ever played in EDL + koldduel (already pass test in Russian duel league)

and stop that bogus vote map pool
k1ra
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2009-10-06 11:09 
btw, you could make voting on each map separately and take 3 maps-winners of the voting. imo
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-06 11:06 
Wision, sometimes it is necessary to renounce the principles and to listen to that people without whom the EDL never would be the EDL
emo
wision
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2009-10-06 10:41 
the poll is about the triplet of maps, not about maps separately.. like it was explained yesterday on irc, this is the only way how could i create the poll. so.. what matters in the end is the triplet which wins the poll
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-06 10:28 
Absolutely agree with Pogo.
Pogo
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2009-10-06 10:21 
syanid i know all maps are equally represented in the poll. What i meant was that even thought the "ztn m1 rdm7" option is leading, if you count the maps votes individually you will find that poll options featuring ztn2 got 34 votes in total (at the time of writing this) while options with dm3 in them got 37. Still ztn is in the top as it happens to be in the poll option that got the most votes.
eu^
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2009-10-06 08:36 
the idea was to add new maps, not to mix things up
k1ra
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2009-10-06 07:54 
mb admins can replace dm1 to dm3 in this season cauz already exists dm1_only league?
emo
zolton
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2009-10-06 07:28 
ztn2dm2, q2rdm7, q2dm3

jay_bee
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2009-10-06 05:36 
" The basic maplist is
q2dm1, q2rdm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2"

why duel5 is included in basic? instead of dm3??

and lol, this poll is almost equal to "choose what map you want to kick from league" emo seems to me that even dm1 have chanses to loose such a poll )
syanid
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2009-10-06 04:22 
all combinations are there, all maps are occuring as often as the others.
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-05 22:27 
So crew...
Expand maps list and question will be closed emo
PURRI
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2009-10-05 22:19 
I thought the same Pogo. First of all it's a public vote, perhaps should be players in the league only, and then 2nd should most likely should have been that you pick three maps manually Exmaple: -> 1. dmx 2. dmy 3. dmz. Since like you say, some maps are more occurant than others when you count the combinations.

Edited: 2009-10-05 22:20
Pogo
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2009-10-05 21:28 
btw how will the poll results be calculated? Currently the "ztn2, m1, rdm7" option is leading. However ztn2 is not present at all in positions 2-4 while dm3 is in all of them, thus meaning more people actually voted for dm3 instead of ztn2, just not in the leading options combination. Should probably have had every map as a separate option imo.
Muerte
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2009-10-05 21:25 
like is hard to write allowed server list in EDL/eq2l

- last version of r1q2/q2pro
- last version otdm or battle/tdm/osp
- anticheat forced with 2.1 model list
- map list EDL/eq2l
Pogo
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2009-10-05 20:59 
Seeing how difficult it is to get new maps onto servers in q2 i think making koldduel an edl map would give admins a reason to finally put it on their servers.
If the biggest argument against it is that too few servers have it, how will any new maps ever get added to EDL then?
wision
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2009-10-05 20:34 
when you will get to play your match and your opponent will pick koldduel1, then you will find out why it's not good idea to put it in the maplist now.. but i know.. people learn from their mistakes
eu^
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2009-10-05 19:57 
We all want some new maps. And when i say new i'm thinking about koldduel . That in my opinion is a breath of fresh air for EDL and a NEW map.

dm7 , ztn2dm2 and match1 are also welcome - but koldduel is the true new map that everybody is talking about.. n/y??

peace
careem
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2009-10-05 19:26 
looks like ztn2dm2 match1 and rdm7 are leading for pretty much. Hope it will stay like that.
da-be-da
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2009-10-05 18:54 
i mean kodduel should be "forced","added" right in the map list without even put it in the map poll i think would be fair and purri maybe happy!? emo

so the players should choice maybe one map between ztn2dm2,rdm7,match1 and dm3
no more than 8 playable maps

what to do u think guys?

so far very bad result imo
ztn2dm2, match1, q2rdm7
14 (30%)
koldduel1, q2rdm7, q2dm3
9 (19%)

btw i thought only sing up players ca vote
Cheimera
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2009-10-05 16:47 
"so if admins dont add this map..." What do you mean? There is poll out there. You mean if people dont vote this map?
da-be-da
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2009-10-05 16:40 
imo map poll should be even after elemination gropus.so u cant vote for a map poll,then if u dont care give w/o

i dont like dm3 too much,but still i think its a better map than match1,rdm7 and ztn2dm2
i also think is time to let some new map here like kodduel,even if u add a map poll i dont think kodduel will be in the fav list,cuz its a old game and people are used to play old maps.Playing new map is something scary for them...
so if admins dont add this map...
Cheimera
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2009-10-05 16:35 
pogo: When you speak about rdm7, it sounds like you speak about ptrip imo emo. Except the teleport thing emo.

I hope aswell koldduel1 will be given a chance same as i hope dm3 will stay.
Pogo
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2009-10-05 16:01 
Voting should be restricted to signed up players imo, random ffa players votes affecting the biggest duel tournament in q2 is a bad, bad thing.

As for removing dm3... i can see why you choose to as it was the least picked map, but like several people have already said it's a very unique map that demands something different of the players. I really hope people will come to their senses and not vote rdm7 in instead, because as a replacement for dm3 it's a joke. One of the worst duel maps i've ever seen in any quake game tbh. The person in control will often get so many spawnfrags that a comeback is more or less impossible, not to mention that bugged teleport which in itself should disqualify the map from tournament play.

The rest are more or less ok, but i'm still hoping koldduel will be given a chance to shine. It's got great potential and i know for a fact several of the people who voted no to it last season did so without even trying it and later changed their minds.

Edited: 2009-10-05 16:02
Cheimera
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2009-10-05 14:41 
I understand purris point in this public vote system. I really do. Though i dont see any other way to do this atm.

And about the map picks, believe us we dont pick maps that WE like, cause then dm3 would be in the map list for sure since its one of my favourite maps and wisions for an example.

Reason why we dident include koldduel1 from the beginning is simple. It got voted down as early as last season.
PURRI
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2009-10-05 12:23 
I'm quite sure that we have a misunderstanding, since you don't seem to understand me, nor me you emo

What I wanted: Majority vote for the last unsure maps like now.

What I did not want: 1-3 admins ruling over the majority again, by not even giving the opportunity to give input on the maps.

Perhaps that clears a bit. Thanks!

Edited: 2009-10-05 12:45
syanid
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2009-10-05 12:06 
If you are suggesting what I think you are suggesting, then...omg, what world are u living in? Reality check hello?
PURRI
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2009-10-05 12:01 
Sounds good wision. Yes, that was me testing!
wision
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2009-10-05 11:54 
don't worry purri.. i will make sure that the vote is not faked .. sorry to tell you that Liefje's vote won't count in this case emo
PURRI
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2009-10-05 11:34 
"The problem is, you made it public, so it's time to call friends/family to vote now?"

please explain?"



FYI, a public vote like this has a high chance of beeing copy/pasted around by people who really want to win. On this website it is also possible to vote more than 1 time from same ip.
PURRI
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2009-10-05 11:31 
The original map list you picked, you added 3 maps that have been tested and rejected by the majority already, those were your ' 3 new maps '.

I say it again so you perhaps understand what I mean, all I wanted was a majority vote decision, perhaps this vote will give the same results, perhaps different. Whats important is that we get the chance to vote a brand new map like koldduel1. So really, thanks for that now. There is no reason for me to argue when you have been more than fair. But please understand that this is not my whiney/rage way to act for my personal reasons. I'm just fed up that season after season we have something around the corner that could make the league better but not given the chance. I'm sure other people think a vote is a good way to decide some of the maps like this.

I've seen some people point to the direction that I'm pissed about dm3 not beeing picked, tbh I almost never even pick that map. I usually pick different maps for every game. Check my edl stats. I however do feel like a map like q2dm3 is very different from the most chaingun rage maps like dm1/ztn2/3/d5/ptrip etc. The only map that plays different. For that reason only it could stay, but if people don't include it in their vote, then it does not deserve to stay. Even if I would say it is one of the classics, and one of the few maps that people outside of q2 still regognize.

Edited: 2009-10-05 11:50
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-05 11:10 
Syanid: simple remove q2dm1, it will in the The Edge league emo
syanid
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2009-10-05 11:09 
And anyway I am sure you wouldn't be raging here like this and demanding a public vote, if the maplist would have included some of the maps you want to see in the league in the first place. Thus proving my point what I said about you wanting to see your maps being picked to the league. And that IS really ALL I SAID, wanting your own maps. Can you see the connection?

We picked 3 new maps and removed one, based on our own judgement on which maps would propably be the most wanted ones for the league. I never said that the map list is what it is and it's not gonna be changed again, did I? You are raging over nothing here and I do hope you can see it yourself.

And to be clear, even that I do have my personal preferences for maps, I am always choosing the maps based on what I think the public wants the most. As a proof I give you rdm7 which I don't like and match1 which I hate because of the MH room entrance rocketspam shit. I don't like the maps, but we still picked them because we (admins) thought that these three would be the most popular ones.

Edited: 2009-10-05 11:10
AlexyeNov
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2009-10-05 10:56 
dont known, how match1 can be placed in same row with q2dm3?

match1 is absolutely not balanced map compared to q2dm3 emo

may be some aone or other campers like it, but it is strange to see this fucked poll from EDL admins crew )

BTW
Q2DM3 was in all EDL seasons from 1st to 7th, dont known why admins needs some revolution now emo It is not traditional for conservative Euro (r1q2, hello emo

Edited: 2009-10-05 11:09
syanid
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2009-10-05 10:54 
"The problem is, you made it public, so it's time to call friends/family to vote now?"

please explain?
PURRI
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2009-10-05 10:35 
Where tha fuck do you see me 'wanting' some of the maps? I just kept the basic 'popular' ones that you had in the list from the beginning and suggested to make a vote for the last 3 to see if the majority would change that or not!? All this explained in my previous post as well. Thats what pissed me off in the beginning. All I wanted was to get a vote since this is the 2nd season in the row that some people including myself would like to see some new maps. Not my maps, NEW maps, different maps...

The problem is, you made it public, so it's time to call friends/family to vote now? emo
k1ra
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2009-10-05 07:56 
ztn2dm2
q2dm3
koldduel1
eu^
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2009-10-05 04:57 
i think the "problem" has been solved
emo
syanid
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2009-10-05 04:54 
so here we are, raging over a few maps and resigning from league cos of it. Well done, good job. Obviously if you read your own comment first purri, you'll see that we had all the maps you hoped for in the list ("keep q2dm1, q2rdm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2," ) and 3 out of the 6 maps you wanted to be "voteable": ("fury, dm3, kolduel1, rdm7, ztn2dm3, match1" ). So if you are raging over the map list, what else could it be than you wanting your own preferred maps included (dm3?, koldduel?).

Anyway you have a vote going on now as you wanted, happy, or want to rage over that too?

My one and pretty much only favorite map is ptrip, other maps just can't compete with it.

Edited: 2009-10-05 04:57
eu^
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2009-10-05 04:25 
judging by the vote poll its obvious that everybody want's to see new map emo
careem
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2009-10-04 22:43 
purri the maps you don't like so much can be a better challenge for you, dont you think?
psm
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2009-10-04 22:20 
gl mf, hf
PURRI
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2009-10-04 22:00 
You can resign me from edl btw.
PURRI
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2009-10-04 21:51 
Where tha FUCK do I tell you that I want my own maps?

Point that out: While you at it, whats your favourite map?
syanid
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2009-10-04 19:25 
so basically purri you just want the maps that you like, just like everyone else does. Unfortunately it's not possible for everyone to have their own maps chosen so there has to be some compromises.

Dm3 has always been at the bottom of the "most played maps" list. Keeping it in the league does not sound so fair in that sense, does it? Match1 which we picked, was for example in EDL season 6 the 4th most popular map, so we thought it might deserve a chance to be in the league once again. Also ztn2 and rdm7 were more popular maps than dm3 for example (barely, but still). Koldduel can be picked over some of the current maps if public so demands, however it lost a vote if it should be included in the map list just last year, and thus we kept it out from our current list. The map list can't be expanded any bigger than it is, or this league will be just ridiculous.

Anyway the league is for the public and if the public so wants, maybe the map list can be still adjusted. Having a vote between the participants is not gonna work because 80% of the participants are not gonna even notice that there's a vote going on in the comments section and thus will not vote..
PURRI
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2009-10-04 18:35 
And yes, votes should be collected by signed up players only.
PURRI
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2009-10-04 18:35 
I mean ztn2dm2 as vote able, not ztn3.
eu^
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2009-10-04 18:33 
you're right purri players should choose the other three maps.

but it should be taken into consideration that if we have a vote pool anyone can choose ...and i think that that is a mistake.

the "maps" should be chosen after the sign up's are over by the players who will play in EDL#8.... or... i dont know ..by the top players maybe

in my opinion , players that will play in the league should chose
PURRI
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2009-10-04 18:15 
Very dissapointed with the map list currently emo

Current map list: q2dm1, q2rdm2, q2rdm7, ztn2dm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2, match1

keep q2dm1, q2rdm2, ztn2dm3, q2duel5, ptrip, aeroq2,

Make the rest of the maps voteable, pick the best 3 maps for up coming edl season -> fury, dm3, kolduel1, rdm7, ztn2dm3, match1 (perhaps some more vote options, don't know!)

Then we keep the basic maps that are popular, and can vote for the last 3 that are either untested or tested before with not so good results. This makes it quite fair and interesting if we get REAL new maps or not.

Please consider this, because currently I'm really not sure if I want to play if the majority can't say what maps we want to play!
Blaizz
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2009-10-04 10:53 
Muerte, hello emo how are you? emo
Muerte
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2009-10-04 10:10 
u don't need 'big memory' to notice sad truth
youngest map in EDL is +8years old
for truth since q2jolt2 wasn't any map worth playing in duel til koldduel1 and spirit2dm2 except q3 maps 4 q2 q2ztndm1, pro-q3dm6, dm13

its so scary to play new maps in 12 years old game emo
lets stick to edge aiming points and robot route
no wonder why most of players complain if u play edge in "Blaizz style": they don't know how to play whole edge map (only mh room part emo )
wision
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2009-10-03 21:27 
oh.. seems like my memory doesn't serve me as well as yours does to you emo
Muerte
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2009-10-03 17:01 
@wision http://q2scene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=321&highlight=chastity
wision
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2009-10-03 15:31 
muerte are you sure about the q2rdm2 remake? i always thought that it was remade from q2 to q3..
Cheimera
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2009-10-03 14:51 
haha emo
lux0r
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2009-10-03 14:41 
haha another "UMUSTDIE case" aka prodigy emo
Register date: 2009-10-03 15:06

btw very original fakenicks nowadays I must say..
lux0r
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2009-10-03 14:36 
EDL without dm1 is no EDL for me emo
Muerte
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2009-10-03 13:05 
no wonder why is q2dm3 kicked because most of players on scene r 'all chain no brain' players and its hard to play map without chain and camping spot emo

btw sya q2dm1, ptrip, rdm7 r worst maps than ztn1 but i guess its hard to learn few easy jumps on 11years old map emo

http://www.sendspace.com/file/uev4rt

q2rdm2 is q2 remake of same q3 map emo

i guess admins try to correct own mistake in past season when was most played map was w/o emo
http://q2scene.net/edl/index.php?op=lstats
so we should believe maps r right for this season emo

gl hf emo

EDIT: since we have edge league: q2dm1 should be removed this EDL season

Edited: 2009-10-03 13:39
lux0r
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2009-10-03 11:29 
map list is great... dm3 sucked, at least for watching emo
rdm7 is very nice map with low armor and health and it is always fun to watch cause quick comebacks are always possible...
match1 is also great oldschool map emo
I am definitely for higher number of maps... 9 maps are just fine tho emo
eu^
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2009-10-03 09:21 
Thx wision

syanid ...i'm just asking ..why not koldduel?? just curious

Edited: 2009-10-03 09:38
syanid
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2009-10-03 09:13 
well it's pretty hard to please everyone with the maplist. Some players want smaller maplist, some players want bigger. Smaller maplist normally equals to better quality of games, but bigger maplist gives some room for surprises and thus can keep things interesting. Dm3 was clearly the least played map, and this is why we thought that it should be removed so we can try out some other map which we didn't have in the last season. Adding new maps to the map list is easy, but then it will be really hard to get those maps on different servers. For example the q3dm13 remake for q2 does seem to be really nice, but how can we pick it to maplist when it's found maybe from 1 server out of 20?

Those 3 new maps chosen, ztn2, rdm7 and m1 are found on all servers, so choosing them was wise in that sense. Ofcourse there are other choises like rdm5(aka duel3), which is liked by some, but disliked by even more. Fury is way too rail based, ztn1 is too unbalanced with RL, CG and RA practically on top of each other, also RG and CA are just a step away, so with one good spawn you can collect all those items and the other player may end up with just SSG and 25 armor.

Well I can go on forever critizising those maps, but it's pretty clear that we had the best and most balanced maps already in the list and now we are trying to answer to some requests for new maps the best we can. You are welcome to write down your desired map list here in the comments, atleast then you'll see how everyone wants the different things.
CoVell
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2009-10-03 08:18 
Ouh thanks a lot, ruined map list...ffs emo
wision
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2009-10-03 08:10 
can't do anything about it eu^.. you need to check esr site for that
eu^
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2009-10-03 05:55 
wtf ...we should be able to see the list of players who signed up without signing up emo
CoVell
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2009-10-03 05:44 
I vote for kolduel!
da-be-da
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2009-10-02 18:52 
ztn2dm2 is boring,rdm7 sux
match1 and koldduel will be nice choice,btw why u people make some map vote pool to decide?
Festival
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2009-10-02 17:28 
yea! rdm7 !!!
Gip5y
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2009-10-02 15:37 
match1! emo emo

Edited: 2009-10-02 15:38
careem
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2009-10-02 13:25 
rdm7 is good enough replacement
Sonic
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2009-10-01 14:43 
maybe some admin write official list map before begin the league emo I never seen kolduel or spirit2dm2 :/
Gip5y
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2009-10-01 12:38 
more maps please! emo
PURRI
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2009-10-01 11:43 
Tbh, I have not been playing any 'not normal' maps the last years simply since I play the tournaments, so it's been a 'waste of time' emo

I'm 100% sure that I like koldduel1 better than half the current maps. But there are more, I'm sure of it. We should have minimum of 7 maps in the pool. If it's 7-9-11-20 I don't know. Atleast something new and refreshing most likely would be welcomed by most.
eu^
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2009-10-01 10:42 
finally ..some good news
k1ra
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2009-10-01 09:15 
q2rdm1
ztn2dm2
koldduel

not so new, but they can made edl more interesting
Cheimera
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2009-09-30 21:07 
any suggestions on maps? And do remember the quality of the games will drop instantly the more maps we have.
PURRI
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2009-09-30 13:35 
Please consider new map/s for this season. Fricking bored with most of them tbh emo

Thuggee
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2009-09-30 11:22 
have to agree with muerte
Muerte
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2009-09-30 10:33 
sad
looking at map pool seam like q2 play nowadays not ppl who r true q2 fun
just ppl who afraid to try smth new or old...
if after 12 years ppl couldnt learn to play
match, ztn2, rdm5, rdm10, fury duel2,wasted, ikdm6 or ztn1 how to mention koldduel or
spirit2dm2 http://q2c.tastyspleen.net/maps/con_6/spirit2dm2.zip
even q3 maps remake for q2
pro-q3dm6
q2ztn3dm1
dm13 (lost world)
pro_q2t4

q2 was always was best fps ever becouse all together other fps games don't have maps as q2

q2 could be fun but instead become just few maps game...
Thuggee
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2009-09-30 10:10 
FIRST!

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